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Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:42 pm
by name14
Hello!
I know I need a huge base to make it work, but I have one =)

would you mind computing a headline stat for me? I am sure it's a good thing to put into a warehouse, because lots of players need it, and u don't a base bigger than 10kk fine to use it. I am really bad with all programming stuff, so I am afraid some directions on how to create it won't help me =(

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:04 am
by kraada
I don't have that stat handy. I did the in depth analysis and I think you misunderstood how much data you need -- it's not 10,000 hands in the database, it's 10,000 hands per opponent in order to get a sample of one (on average).

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:02 am
by name14
when I say 10kk, I mean 10 million hands
are you sure about your analysis?
bacause I have a lot of spots where villain checks turn as prf in 3betOP after betting flop, so it seems logical to me that I will have more than 1 sample per 10k hands oO

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:06 pm
by kraada
The database I analyzed was 15 million hands. That is an average across the database, but yes I'm sure about the general frequency.

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:35 am
by name14
well, I have a lot of guys with Cbet turn like 33% or smth, feels reasonable to me that I must have some samples of them reacting to float.
If u r not going to do this as part of software support, would you mind creating this stat as a freelance developer? AFAIK, creating a stat doesn't take long, so would u mind doing this for some kinf of 10 or 20$ stars transfer?

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:40 am
by name14
after some consideration, I see your point!
A lot of guys barrel like crazy, like 90\90\ flop\turn, ofc it's impossible to gather data on them
but there's another approach on playimg 3bpots OP, which involves a lot of check/calling and check-raising, and keeping the cbet around 50\50 flop\turn

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:00 am
by name14
ok, u were cruel enough to make me do this, would you mind doing the verifying?

Fold to T Float Bet % in 3+Bet Pot

(cnt_f_float_def_opp_action_fold_3bet_pot_copy_IHS / cnt_T_float_def_opp_3bet_pot_copy_IHS) * 100

cnt_f_float_def_opp_action_fold_3bet_pot_copy_IHS

sum(if[(tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet OR tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet) AND lookup_actions_p.action LIKE '%R' AND tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_t_open_opp AND tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_t_bet_facing > 0 AND substring(lookup_actions_t.action from 1 for 2) = 'XF', 1, 0])

cnt_T_float_def_opp_3bet_pot_copy_IHS

sum(if[(tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet OR tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet) AND lookup_actions_p.action LIKE '%R' AND tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_t_open_opp AND tourney_hand_player_statistics.flg_t_check AND tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_t_bet_facing > 0, 1, 0])

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:16 am
by name14
Is there any reason for stats downloaded from your warehouse to stop working after I've created the stat?
I get no info from
fold T/R to Probe 3b
Fold F to Float 3b

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:03 am
by WhiteRider
Your stat looks good, and shouldn't interfere with any other stats.

Are you using this in a popup?
If so, go to the Tools popup and delete the whole line containing the stats "Tournaments" and "ITM", and that will allow custom stats to work in your popups.

Re: Fold To Float Turn in 3bet pot

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:52 am
by name14
It's spooky, but it helps oO thank you!

BTW, I have a lot of samples for anyone, so I have to disagree with Kraada saying this stat is useless. I'd say 2k hands on villain = 1 sample

highfalutin