Table Tracker Scoring

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Table Tracker Scoring

Postby Dinslakener » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:34 am

Hi,

can anyone explane me how the scoring works? I'm thinking about purchasing TT but i want to understand how it work otherwise i can't trust it.
How do they get the scores?
Does anyone built an own scoring?

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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby kraada » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:01 pm

The scoring mechanism is proprietary and we cannot divulge the exact details of the scoring mechanism. Higher scores are better for you, though, meaning that players with a higher positive score are worse players.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby Dinslakener » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:01 am

Hi,

that's all you can tell me about the scoring? How can i believe to it if i don't understand it? Are there any other scorings?
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby WhiteRider » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:13 am

You can make your own scoring rules if you wish. Please see the TableTracker Documentation.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby Beck » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:30 am

I've taken a look at how to set up custom scoring.
Am I correct to assume that the more parameters and variables you add, the number of rules you have to create increase exponentially?

For example.
I would to use 5 different stats
VPIP
PFR
BB/100
3Bet preflop
WTSD

Each of them just 3 different settings, low-medium-high

I would then have to make 3^5 rules...a total of 243 rule strings. Is that correct?
If so, I think TT is practically unusable regarding custom stats. Why it wasn't made as a +/- for each stat, I don't understand.

It would have made it way more flexible.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby WhiteRider » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:14 am

Where does the low-medium-high part come in?

I haven't built any complex scoring rules personally but I agree that it may be possible to streamline the system somewhat.
If you explain exactly how you'd like things to work we'll pass on your suggestions to the development team for consideration.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby Beck » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:28 am

What I meant was I want a players score to be determined whether his VPIP is for example 0-14, 14-25, 26+ (low-medium-high)
Same for the other stats.
I just used low-medium-high instead of actual numbers. In reality I would probably prefer to have maybe 6 or 8 different values (or possibly more). But in practice I think it requires a gazillion different rules?

But with just 3 different values I would have to create one score for each of
LLLLL
MLLLL
MMLLL
MMMLL
MMMML
MMMMM
MHLLL
etc
Each combination of value for the stats would require it's own rule? For a total of 3*3*3*3*3=243 rules. And adding just one more stat would make it 729 rules...... Am I misunderstanding the system?

And furthermore, using only 3 different values for many stats is very conservative. Likewise, There is a large number of different stats I would like to use.

Besides just the average VPIP, maybe I would like to also use how high/low his VPIP is from the button compared to average VPIP, as it could indicate his positional awareness.
Likewise the relation between his PFR and fold to 3-bet

How I would prefer the rules to work is, that each stat would add or subtract a number to/from the total score based on it's value.
So each player have a base value of 0 (zero), and whatever values they have in the various stats I like to base my scoring upon, would then increase/decrease this number.

As it is now, I really don't think it's usable.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby kraada » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:27 am

You are correct about the current setup, and for what it's worth, I agree, an additive/subtractive method would be a significant improvement, and I will make sure that your suggestions reach the development team.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby Beck » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:08 am

Also, the average score for the table should not be weighted by number of hands, IMO. Perhaps make it optional how do the average.
But instead the user just have to input a minimum number of hands required for the players score to be used in the average.
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Re: Table Tracker Scoring

Postby kraada » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:42 am

These features are planned.
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