no flg_f_donk still?

[pasita]

No flg_f_donk still?

[kraada]

No, and at this point I would not expect to see that added.

[pasita]

It seems the built in column for donking flop doesn't count it when I 3+bet preflop, Is this intentional (and if so, what's the reasoning)? It's the same for turn and river (where a flag is used)?

cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_face_raise AND NOT (cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet OR cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet) AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_bet AND NOT (cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_cbet_opp) AND ((cash_hand_summary.cnt_players > 2 AND cash_hand_player_statistics.val_p_raise_aggressor_pos < cash_hand_player_statistics.position) or (cash_hand_summary.cnt_players = 2 and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_b))

[pasita]

Oh... you might wish to check you req / bug management procedures

https://www.pokertracker.com/forums/vie ... 952#p44952

by WhiteRider » 28 Jul 2008 12:23
This was just missed - it will be added.

[kraada]

It's intentional because you are calling preflop and betting out of turn postflop. To donk the turn you check/call the flop and bet the turn. Preflop you can't check so it's just a call (often from the blinds, though limp/calls might work also).

[pasita]

So if I 3bet pre and get 4bet and I call OOP, you don't count it a donkbet if I lead flop? That sounds weird but w/e... I always though a donkbet is when I bet out OOP when someone else was the last aggressor, regardless of the number of raises I might have put in preflop.

It gets more confusing as the expression above does accept cases where I open raise SB, BB 3bets and I call. Then I lead out and it's a donk bet even though I raised pre.

[kraada]

We have a separate stat for the 3bet pot case specifically for that situation. Since it's so different from the 2bet pot case, we think it's better to keep it as an entirely separate stat and not combine them.

[pasita]

It would seem to me that if I'm the 3bettor preflop, my lead against a 4+bettor will not get counted.

cnt_f_donk_3bet_pot:

sum(if[(cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet_def_opp OR cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet_def_opp) AND NOT (cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_3bet OR cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_4bet) AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_bet AND NOT (cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_cbet_opp) AND ((cash_hand_summary.cnt_players > 2 AND cash_hand_player_statistics.val_p_raise_aggressor_pos < cash_hand_player_statistics.position) or (cash_hand_summary.cnt_players = 2 and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_b)), 1, 0])

[pasita]

-It's intentional because you are calling preflop and betting out of turn postflop.

- To donk the turn you check/call the flop and bet the turn.

-I'm not following.... why am I able to 2bet-call pre and still donk flop but not 3-bet call and donk flop?

-Just to make this clear... if I bet-call flop is it possible for me to donk turn?** If I 2bet-call flop is it possible for me to donk turn? If I 3bet-call flop is it possible for me to donk turn? If not, why not? I realize we're getting close to an academic discussion here especially for non-FL-games but I'd like to understand your definition of a donk bet...I quite couldn't find one.

On a semi-related note... this Description from the stat Donk River in 3Bet+ Pot

Percentage of the time that a player bet the river out of position before the preflop raiser had a chance to act in pots that were 3Bet or more preflop.

Then again, Donk River:

Percentage of the time that a player bet the river out of position before the player who continuation bet the turn had a chance to act.

Now this would seem that there needs to be a continuation bet involved on the previous street. These two stats don't quite match (or the descriptions don't).

** I guess if the "contbet was made on previous street" prerequisite is there I can't donk turn in this situation.

[kraada]

The 2bet call and 3bet call are very different situations. That's why we have two distinct stats for them: Donk Flop is the 2bet case and Donk Flop in 3Bet+ Pot is for the 3bet (or higher) case.

I'm fairly certain if you bet call the flop you can never donk the turn but I'll check on that for you.