Filter Error?

[Goomashroom]

When I use the filter "Cold-Call Preflop"... the following hand does not show up in my list:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $110.20
SB: $89
Hero (BB): $100
UTG: $273.20
MP: $40.30
CO: $35.45

Pre-Flop: 4d 4h dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

I clearly cold call the preflop raise from the big blind... if this isn't a cold call I'm not sure what is

[Goomashroom]

This filter does work however from any position EXCEPT the SB or BB

[Josh]

Does PT2 classify this hand as a cold call? Typically, a cold call is calling one or more raises without having any money in the pot. If you are a blind, you've already put money in the pot.

[_dave_]

eek. I always thought cold-call was calling two or more bets - calling one was simply calls PFR. I thought this was the way in PT2 - the cold-call% stat is insane low when viewed in PAHUD if the above hand would qualify as CCPF in PT2.

EDIT: I'm probably wrong, a limp then a raise I suppose is two bets - but since you already have a limp's worth of bets in the pot it doesn't count?

[APerfect10]

[quote="_dave_"3ve]eek. I always thought cold-call was calling two or more bets - calling one was simply calls PFR. I thought this was the way in PT2 - the cold-call% stat is insane low when viewed in PAHUD if the above hand would qualify as CCPF in PT2.

EDIT: I'm probably wrong, a limp then a raise I suppose is two bets - but since you already have a limp's worth of bets in the pot it doesn't count?[/quote3ve]

A cold call is exactly how Josh defined it above. Anytime you call a pre-flop raise while being "cold". Cold means no money in the pot. This number is insanely low in PT2 because they are dividing CCPF by the total number of hands played.

So, no, the OP's hand is not a cold call pre-flop since they are not cold. They have money already in the pot since posting the BB.

Best regards,

Derek

[Goomashroom]

Hmm... I have to disagree with you guys here. I'm fairly certain that cold-calling is flatting a raise from any position whether you're in the blinds or not. Fwiw, it's pretty commonly referred to on 2p2 and training sites like CR and LP as cold calling even from the blinds... like "you shouldn't cold-call from the SB here because you don't have the implied odds you need".

How about changing a cold call to be defined as "calling one or more raises without having any [bdvm]voluntary[/bdvm] money in the pot"?

Essentially what I want to do is take a small pocket pair... say 44 and see how I'm doing when I cold call from the blinds or otherwise, and currently I can only filter the non-blind hands. How would I add the times I cold call from the blinds?

[_dave_]

I think so too, blinds should not affect cold call. I'd like to see overcall also

[Goomashroom]

So what do you guys say? Can you change it so that blind status does not affect cold-call?

I can get some 2p2'ers to come and back me up that a cold-call is a cold-call regardless of blinds

[WhiteRider]

It's a tricky issue. At limit, calling a raise from the BB would only be calling a single bet - would you want that defined as cold-calling? I wouldn't.
The fact that you're playing NL and the bet size is bigger doesn't fundamentally change the fact that you're not calling the full bet/raise.

However, I can't see a filter for 'Facing a Raise', or 'Called a Raise', or whatever.
Even with this filter, OP would still not be able to track down instances where he called a raise by a single opponent from the blinds.

Maybe when you update the filter funtionality 'Cold Called' could have an 'include blinds' option?

Maybe we need a 'Number of players in pot before I act' filter?
This combined with 'Facing a Raise', would allow us to 'build' the required filter, and we could also use position filters to separate/include the blinds.

Elsewhere someone has mentioned an 'Overcalled' filter too, this would allow a similar thing.
i.e. 'Cold Called' == 'Called a raise' AND NOT 'Overcalled' [ AND NOT 'Position:Blind' ]


I'm sure once Josh gets round to improving the filter functionality we'll be able to make all sorts of wonderful filters of our own, but they genuinely seem interested in hearing ideas about what's needed, so feel free to discuss any suggestions you have.

[Josh]

I created a poll: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=715

Feel free to link other forums here to get as many opinions as we can get.