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fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:26 pm
by rozyboy
hi
I have noticed that PT3's default stat for this is very limited
I have some players in my database with 3,000 tracked hands and only 2 opportunities.
from what I understood this stat does not include multiway pots or pots where the initial raiser did not have relative position etc.

is there any custom stat available in the forum that includes a more thorough assessment?
mods: can you direct me to a relevant thread about the topic if such exists?

thanks alot

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:49 pm
by kraada
The stat should work in most multiway spots as well, the only times it won't work right is when multiple people are raising the flop. For example, you are in the middle, and the first player checks. You bet, the player behind you calls, the first player raises, you call and the player behind you shoves - that case won't get counted. But if you're in the middle, you bet, the player behind you folds and the first player check/raises, that will get counted.

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:10 am
by ph757
I also experience the same problem.
It's pretty odd that players with thousands of tracked hands have only 1-2 checkraise fold oppertunities, though this is how it seems to be.
Is this normal in microstakes?

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:20 am
by WhiteRider
This situation can only arise after a player bets on the flop when checked to, and out of those hands we are only counting ones where another player (who already checked) chooses to make a check raise. That won't happen all that often.

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:36 am
by rozyboy
kraada wrote:The stat should work in most multiway spots as well, the only times it won't work right is when multiple people are raising the flop. For example, you are in the middle, and the first player checks. You bet, the player behind you calls, the first player raises, you call and the player behind you shoves - that case won't get counted. But if you're in the middle, you bet, the player behind you folds and the first player check/raises, that will get counted.


what if Im in middle, first player checks, I bet, third player calls, 1st player raises, and both me and the 3rd player call- will that count?
also, is there any way to include all check/raise possibilities?

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:54 pm
by WhiteRider
Yes, that will count. It is based on the position of the last player to raise on the flop, compared to the position of the active player. What this stat checks for is that the player bets (therefore anyone in an earlier position must have checked) and faces a race by a player in an earlier position (who must therefore have checked/raised).

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:25 am
by uberst
I'm having a similar issue to where when i play heads up it isn't counting a lot of check raises.

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:34 am
by kraada
Could you please attach a hand that didn't count to a support ticket so that we can investigate further for you?

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:42 am
by ph757
This probably happens since checkraises in HU are a little different, since the button is the BTN is in the SB, the positions are interchanged such that the aggressor position is the sb.
So the patch would be using

Code: Select all
((holdem_hand_summary.cnt_players > 2 AND holdem_hand_player_detail.val_f_raise_aggressor_pos > holdem_hand_player_statistics.position ) OR
holdem_hand_summary.cnt_players = 2 AND holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_s))


ISO

Code: Select all
(holdem_hand_summary.cnt_players > 2 AND holdem_hand_player_detail.val_f_raise_aggressor_pos > holdem_hand_player_statistics.position )


As it is.

Re: fold to flop check raise

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:01 pm
by uberst
sorry but could you please tell me how to use that code?