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Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:14 am
by beast9881
Well lets say someone has a fold to steal in the BB from X(x/y)

then I would say the sum of fold to steal(in BB) vs Sb(a/b) + fold to steal(in BB) vs BU(c/d) + fold to steal(in BB) vs CO(e/f) must give me the same result.

a+c+d=x and b+d+f=y

Is that right or do I make a mistake because the x and y values are not like that in my case they give me nearly the same X value but other x y values.

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:52 pm
by kraada
I don't see why those should add up. Could you explain your reasoning a little? I'm just not seeing it.

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:24 pm
by beast9881
I want to seperate the fold to steal in BB stat into 3 different cases.

1. fold to steal in BB vs SB open Bsp.:-> 50 out of 70 times I fold to SB open -> 71%(50/70)
2. fold to steal in BB vs BU open Bsp.:-> 60 out of 80 times I fold to BU open -> 75%(60/80)
3. fold to steal in BB vs CO open Bsp.:-> 70 out of 100 times I fold to CU open -> 70%(70/100)

think these are the 3 cases which define the fold to steal in BB.

-> fold to steal in BB = (50+60+70)/(70+80+100) = 72% (180/250)

Is that correct or is a mistake in there!

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:12 pm
by kraada
Ah, yes, when you do that they should add up. You'll need to do a little altering of the default vs stats though in order to eliminate times some else called in between you (you can do that by adding that you didn't have a chance to squeeze preflop).

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:46 am
by beast9881
Do you think it makes sense to do that?
I mean i only wondered that the values didn`t add up.

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:29 am
by WhiteRider
Which stats are you using to get these numbers?
Fold vs BTN Open is not equivalent to Fold to Steal because (as kraada suggested) if the SB calls or raises then the BB no longer faces a steal but does still face a button open.

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:38 am
by beast9881
Fold vs BTN open
Fold vs CO open
BB vs SB open - Fold -> ok this stat causes no problem I think according to your explanation because it is similar to a steal but the others do because the SB or the BU+SB can call and then its not defined as a steal even if the BB folds. Is that correct???

So I think I need to create 2stats fold BB vs BTN steal/fold BB vs CO steal -> then I get the right numbers???

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:34 am
by kraada
That sounds right.

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:57 am
by beast9881
Could you please give me the value expression and the columns for the fold vs BTN steal and fold vs CO steal?

Re: Fold to steal in BB

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:11 pm
by kraada
vs button:

sum(if[lookup_actions_p.action = 'F' and cash_hand_summary.str_aggressors_p LIKE '80%' and cash_hand_summary.str_actors_p LIKE '0%' and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp, 1, 0])

vs CO:
sum(if[lookup_actions_p.action = 'F' and cash_hand_summary.str_aggressors_p LIKE '81%' and cash_hand_summary.str_actors_p LIKE '1%' and cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_def_opp, 1, 0])

highfalutin