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Any plans to introduce UTG+1/MP+2/MP+3?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:53 pm
by CairyHunts
Hey guys,

Sorry for second topic, but im creating a custom hud and i was wondering if there are plans to introduce more positions than just EP/MP.

Reason why is that there is a significant difference between UTG and UTG+1 in tournaments. There are a lot of regs that treat UTG as the Button, but won't be opening the same frequency from UTG+1, So after a bunch of hands the stats will show a skewed frequency from UTG because they balance out with UTG +1. Same goes for MP positions, people steal from Hijack (some lojack), but if i want to filter steal% on position, im forced to take MP as the common denominator which is simply not going to give an accurate overview for someones frequencies on MP+2 and +3. You simply cant just pile 3 positions in one tier, and think that there is no difference in tendancies to be found. This obviously also goes for 3betting and other related preflop stuff.

So are there any plans to ever introduce such a thing, or would it be impossible on the current gen (Pokertracker 4) because of coding?

Thanks - again

Re: Any plans to introduce UTG+1/MP+2/MP+3?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:54 pm
by kraada
I'm not aware of plans to change this functionality for full ring tournament play. You could, if you wanted, create custom statistics for these individual positions and use those instead - you can specify each position individually then. And of course at any table size of 6 players or less we already have individual positions specified with the options we have.

Re: Any plans to introduce UTG+1/MP+2/MP+3?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:45 pm
by CairyHunts
kraada wrote:I'm not aware of plans to change this functionality for full ring tournament play. You could, if you wanted, create custom statistics for these individual positions and use those instead - you can specify each position individually then. And of course at any table size of 6 players or less we already have individual positions specified with the options we have.


And how would one create new positions in your software? I want this to integrate with my hud, so its not for reporting purposes only, i want to split the positions in 9 rather than 6, if you know what i mean.

Re: Any plans to introduce UTG+1/MP+2/MP+3?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:19 pm
by kraada
You'd need to create custom statistics for each of the 5 (or 6 if you're playing 10 handed) positions that you want to keep separate. The values are stored in cash_hand_player_statistics.position (or tourney_hand_player_statistics.position if you play tournaments). The value starts at 0 from the button, 1 is the cutoff and goes up around the table. The big blind is always 8 and small blind is always 9 regardless of the number of players at the table.

So to make a version for UTG 9 handed you'd add "AND cash_hand_player_statistics.position = 6" inside the if[] statement for each numerator and denominator you want - just use our Duplicate function and while tedious this shouldn't take all that long as it's mostly just copy paste and edit a couple of text fields. See this guide for the basics on custom statistics creation if you need it, and this guide for a deeper walkthrough. The latter was written for PT3 but the techniques all apply to PT4, the interface is just slightly different.