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Question about "made"

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:18 am
by PeteX
I want to make a note that counts the times when the player is being seen to call a river bet/raise very light on Omaha. The definition of very light here would be that the player has either a high-card or a pair on the river.

Would the filter of ((Made Hand - High Card On River) OR (Made One Pair On River)) work for this?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm a bit confused about the exact meaning of "Made". For example, do those conditions force the player to actually MAKE the hand at the river? How about if he has a pocket pair from the start and nothing else, so he actually has a made hand all the way? Or what if he hits a pair on Turn, would that still be counted as a "Made One Pair On River"? So basically does "Made One Pair On River" mean that he has a "made hand" of "one pair" on the river, but he could have had that hand at any point, even from preflop?

Or would I need something like this: ((Made Hand - High Card On Any Street) OR (Made One Pair On Any Street))

But would I need then to exclude all better hands that the player might have made later? I mean, he might have hit a pair on turn and then trips on river and that is a hand that I'd categorize as a strong hand and should be exluded from the filter.

Re: Question about "made"

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:50 am
by kraada
It's based on what his hand is on the street you target not the hand he first had that value. Otherwise you'd have hands where the "made hand on river" had no value (because he "made" the hand on an earlier street).

So your definition of very light will do exactly what you want - you'll get all hands where his hand strength on the river was in the range you set. This is much preferable for you than using "any street" because you can have just a high card on the flop but on the river have any number of hand strengths.