Application: HoldemLuck/TourneyLuck v0.20 (Updated:2/28/10)

[Dan_Jazz_Man]

I have a small problem:
clicking on a Hands tab I get a list of hands with all-ins. The thing is, the oldest hands are on top of the list, so
I have to click the Date column twice - the first click doesn't do anything for some reason and only the second click
sorts the hands from the latest ones down. Could this be set to having the latest hands on top by default? Thanks.

[DarkZonk]

Programm seems to do wrong equilations.

Yesterday I was All-In preflop with AdQh against AhQd and Ac9d. HoldemLuck says, that I had 24,1% equity, so the EV of this hand was negative. Using the PokerStrategy Equilator, there I have 35,8% equity. So HoldemLuck turns a +ev spot into a large -ev spot. Anybody else knows this bug?

kind regards

[alonalbert]

Programm seems to do wrong equilations.

Yesterday I was All-In preflop with AdQh against AhQd and Ac9d. HoldemLuck says, that I had 24,1% equity, so the EV of this hand was negative. Using the PokerStrategy Equilator, there I have 35,8% equity. So HoldemLuck turns a +ev spot into a large -ev spot. Anybody else knows this bug?

kind regards

Can u post the complete hand history?

[denile]

Hello,
any news about the fix of the invalid timestamp issue?

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15317&start=350#p90558
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15317&start=250#p75980

Thank you in advance

Francesco de Nile

[DarkZonk]

Full Tilt Poker Game #13202966405: Table Amazon - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:21:22 ET - 2009/07/04
Seat 1: Ibizarudi ($10)
Seat 2: xiao_lin589 ($11.67)
Seat 3: mikenumber19 ($21.95)
Seat 4: m77g ($37.10)
Seat 5: juanra016 ($5)
Seat 6: PEER244 ($5.57)
Seat 7: ShkodaAS ($5.22)
Seat 8: psma008 ($43.85)
Seat 9: Neheda ($4.30)
juanra016 posts the small blind of $0.10
PEER244 posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
Ibizarudi posts $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neheda [Ad Qh]
ShkodaAS folds
psma008 folds
Neheda raises to $1.25
Ibizarudi calls $1
xiao_lin589 has 15 seconds left to act
xiao_lin589 raises to $3.25
mikenumber19 has 15 seconds left to act
mikenumber19 folds
m77g folds
juanra016 has 15 seconds left to act
juanra016 folds
juanra016 adds $0.10
PEER244 folds
Neheda has 15 seconds left to act
Neheda has requested TIME
Neheda raises to $4.30, and is all in
Ibizarudi raises to $10, and is all in
xiao_lin589 calls $6.75
Ibizarudi shows [Ac 9d]
xiao_lin589 shows [Qd Ah]
Neheda shows [Ad Qh]
*** FLOP *** [9c 6d 8c]
*** TURN *** [9c 6d 8c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [9c 6d 8c 6s] [2c]
Ibizarudi shows two pair, Nines and Sixes
xiao_lin589 shows a pair of Sixes
Ibizarudi wins the side pot ($10.83) with two pair, Nines and Sixes
Neheda shows a pair of Sixes
Ibizarudi wins the main pot ($12.59) with two pair, Nines and Sixes
xiao_lin589 adds $3.33
Neheda adds $5
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.65 Main pot $13.25. Side pot $11.40. | Rake $1.23
Board: [9c 6d 8c 6s 2c]
Seat 1: Ibizarudi showed [Ac 9d] and won ($23.42) with two pair, Nines and Sixes
Seat 2: xiao_lin589 showed [Qd Ah] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: mikenumber19 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: m77g (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: juanra016 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: PEER244 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ShkodaAS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: psma008 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Neheda showed [Ad Qh] and lost with a pair of Sixes

[alonalbert]

Programm seems to do wrong equilations.

I found the problem. The 3'rd party software I use gives me number of pats won/tied rather than equity and I have to do equity calculations myself.

This is easy in heads up pots but in multiway pots, ties cause all sorts of problems. The problem is that I don't fully know which players tied the pots for each combination. The old code (with the bug) just divided the number of tied pots with the number of players in the pot. This works for heads up pots but is messed up for multiway pots.

For example, player A has 100 ties, player B has 100 ties and player C has 10 ties out of total hand combinations 200 (bogus example)

Assuming 90 of these ties are heads up between A & B and the other 10 are 3 way, the correct tie equity for player A is:

90/2/200 + 10/3/200 = 24.1666%

Problem is I can't assume this because in some strange situations, A could have some ties with B only and some ties with C only.

Because of this, I use approximate:

100 / (210 / 100) / 200= 23.8%

210 / 100 is the average number of players in a tie.

If anyone can find a flaw or a better way to do this given the input, please chime in.


Fix will be uploaded soon.

[alonalbert]

New build with multiway tie fix.

http://rapidshare.com/files/252833120/H ... _v0.15.zip

[airfull]

Hi

Someone talk me about holdem luck/ SNGluck but this post is too long! lol
Is this software more efficient than the EV-- all-in performance in PT3. Someone said that PT3 is not accurate about this thing . I was very surprise about this.

[alonalbert]

Hi

Someone talk me about holdem luck/ SNGluck but this post is too long! lol
Is this software more efficient than the EV-- all-in performance in PT3. Someone said that PT3 is not accurate about this thing . I was very surprise about this.

HoldemLuck is considerably faster rendering graphs because it stores the results in the database. I believe PT3 is planing on doing this too.

As for accuracy, I think HoldemLuck does correct equity calculations (I know of one case it does an approximation - multyway tied pots) and I assume PT3 does it correctly as well. The main difference is that HoldemLuck calculates equity for more hands than PT3 because PT3 doesn't do multiway pots (I think). I believe they are planning for this as well.

[Dan_Jazz_Man]

I have a small problem:
clicking on a Hands tab I get a list of hands with all-ins. The thing is, the oldest hands are on top of the list, so
I have to click the Date column twice - the first click doesn't do anything for some reason and only the second click
sorts the hands from the latest ones down. Could this be set to having the latest hands on top by default? Thanks.

alonalbert, could you answer this please?