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Net expected won BB

Postby agragr » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:29 am

Hi,
how calculated "Net expected won BB" ?
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby kraada » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:38 am

The short answer is that when you or your opponent is all in, your equity is multiplied by the pot size, and that is the amount you are expected to win in the long run. Please note that this will almost never be the amount that you actually in fact win.
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby agragr » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:27 am

Information in that short answer I knew.
Me interesting full answer (formula).
I do not receive value, equal showed value field "Net expected won BB"

For example :
My hand AKo (BU) -
Blind 25/50
Pot 375

I do preflop push 1380 chips - one opponent call my push with 76o
(others fold)
Final pot 2985

Field All-In equity = 62.74
Field BB won = 16.05

Field Net Expected Won BB = 4.65 (????? Why - I think must be equal =16.05*62.74% )

P.S. History Hand :

SB posts the small blind of 25
BB posts the big blind of 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ks Ad]
pl1 raises to 150
pl2 calls 150
hero raises to 1,380, and is all in
pl3 folds
pl4 folds
pl1 folds
pl2 calls 1,230
Hero shows [Ks Ad]
pl2 shows [6h 7c]
*** FLOP *** [2h 9s 8s]
*** TURN *** [2h 9s 8s] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [2h 9s 8s 3d] [9h]
hero shows a pair of Nines
pl2 shows a pair of Nines
hero wins the pot (2,985) with a pair of Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,985 | Rake 0
Board: [2h 9s 8s 3d 9h]
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby kraada » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:31 am

(1) Your equity all in preflop is about 61.5% - see here.

(2) To calculate from there take the pot size (2985) and multiply by your equity (61.5%). In this case we get ~1836. This is your expected result. Subtracting what you put in the pot (1380) your net expected result is +456. The big blind is 50 so a big bet is 100, so your net expected win in big bets is 4.56. The .09 difference is due to rounding issues and PT3 using a more precise calculation for your equity.
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby agragr » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:15 pm

(2) Thanks

(1) Yes - you right - 61.5 ......
Report Stats in PT3 "All-in Equity" - this is equity all-in ?
I take 62.74 from this stats. I again run report in section reports.
This parameters now show - 61.58 - Why change and not equal 61.5 ????
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby kraada » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:39 pm

We do our own calculations and do not rely on third party assessments - the link was just evidence as I cannot paste the internals of PT3 in which we calculate equity.

Where do you see 62.74? Is it possible you were looking at the wrong hand?
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby agragr » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:05 pm

Hm ... - I see 62.74 in reports, after second view i see 61.58,
also I see 61.8
now I see 61.39 ..... I don't understand ..... Am I crazy ???

On two last facts - I can send screens. This parameters is can be
change ???
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby kraada » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:21 pm

Please submit screenshots in a support ticket and we'll gladly investigate further for you.
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Re: Net expected won BB

Postby WhiteRider » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:54 pm

EV is calcualated each time you view it, and given that it needs to be a fast calculation we use an estimate based on running a number of hands. Preflop there are so many possibilities that the estimate can vary somewhat - if we ran enough hands to get a fully accurate answer it would take way too long. Postflop it should give pretty consistant accurate values.
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