Call open vs positional open

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Call open vs positional open

Postby kllawre210 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:27 pm

How can I create a note to where I can see a call open range vs a specific positional open.

For example, I want to see what an opponents call open in position is (call 2bet) is vs Early Position open OR opponents call open in position for cutoff open (or call on button vs co open).

Also, is this position to make hero specific?

Ultimately I would like to be able to see what an opponents range is for flatting my opens in different positions, as well as 3bets.

Thank you

Kevin
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby WhiteRider » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:03 pm

You can certainly specify the position for opponent actions in NoteTracker - click the Opponent button to add filters for opponent actions, and this can include position and whether the opponent is hero.
In NoteTracker the "player" is the active player that the note is being taken on, and "opponent" is any other player in the hand.
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby kllawre210 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:24 pm

I'm sorry. The whole "player" and "opponent" thing is confusing me a lot.

So say I'm playing 6max NL, and I only want to see what villains flats my UTG open with while he is in MP.

I would click on:

opponent -> hand detail -> player position -> player position - preflop -> exactly 2

Then...

actions and opportunities -> actions and opportunities - preflop -> preflop calls -> cold call 2 bet

Then...

Do the same thing for player but have the final filters come out to be :


(player is hero) AND (position of active player position of selected exactly 3)

Raised preflop any 2bet


Is that correct? I have done this, but not sure if it is working. Have tried running tests and I'm not finding anything....

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby kraada » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:01 pm

No, you've got it backwards.

Notes are taken on a specific player. That is the player who matches Player. So if you want notes taken on someone's range when they are in MP you need to think of them as Player.

Then they can do it in cases where a specific opponent of theirs did something. That is who would go in Opponent. Opponent may be you (if you tick Player is Hero) or may be someone else entirely (if you want to see his 3bet range vs any EP open regardless of who made it).

I hope that clarifies it for you.
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby kllawre210 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:53 pm

kraada wrote:No, you've got it backwards.

Notes are taken on a specific player. That is the player who matches Player. So if you want notes taken on someone's range when they are in MP you need to think of them as Player.

Then they can do it in cases where a specific opponent of theirs did something. That is who would go in Opponent. Opponent may be you (if you tick Player is Hero) or may be someone else entirely (if you want to see his 3bet range vs any EP open regardless of who made it).

I hope that clarifies it for you.


Thank you, you explained that very well.
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby kllawre210 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:14 pm

Ok still not working, here is what i have...

Player: (position of active player position of selected exactly 2) AND (Called preflop called 2bet)

Opponent: (player is Hero) AND (position of active player position of selected exactly 3) AND (raised preflop any 3bet)


When I run a test, I get nothing.
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Re: Call open vs positional open

Postby kraada » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:59 pm

In this case I think it's because you're unclear on how position numbering works - 0 is the button and it adds up counterclockwise - except the BB is always 8 and SB is always 9 (regardless of how many people there are).

So with your filters you're picking times that a player cold called a 2bet in position 2 (aka the hijack) and hero made a 3bet in position 3 (one before the hijack).

This is impossible - if you open with a 3bet in position 3 then the player in position 2 isn't facing a 2bet he's facing a 3bet. You can't have made the 2bet because then you can't 3bet. And the limping options don't end up working out because you have to be facing a 2bet to 3bet and he has to call that 2bet.
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