Cold Call in blinds

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Cold Call in blinds

Postby andriuspok3r » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:53 am

So i asume it is imposible to cold call from the blinds as i don't get cold calling stats in the blinds.
Why is that so?
And how do i filter the situation where i "cold call" from the blinds i.e. there is an open raiser, everybody folds to me, i am in SB or BB and i call?
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby kraada » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:34 am

The original definition of calling cold meant to call a raise (or more) without having previously put money in the pot. This definition has been around for quite a long time and was used in limit holdem well before the poker boom. In order to stay in line with the established definition, Cold Call 2Bet in PT4 uses this old mechanism - you can't cold call the first raise unless you have no money in and so limp/calling and calling from the blinds are excluded.
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby andriuspok3r » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:03 am

So how can i filter this exact situation:
I am in the small blind, there is an open raiser and everybody folds to me and i call?
I am in the big blind, there is an open raiser and everybody folds to me and i call?
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby kraada » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:56 am

Filter for times you faced a 2bet and didn't have a chance to squeeze.
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby darkhorse » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:13 pm

How can I create a custom stat for the above case? Can I alter the original Cold Call 2Bet PF stat to include those times a player cold calls a raise from the small blind?

In limit hold'em it's a pretty big mistake to cold-call two bets cold in the small blind from an RFI, so I'm surprised given the stat's background that this case is not included.
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby WhiteRider » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:37 pm

You can't alter built-in stats, but you could certainly make a custom stat to count that case.
cash_hand_player_statistics.amt_p_2bet_facing > 0
..says that the player faced a 2Bet, and:
NOT cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_limp
..says that the player didn't limp.
To test for the player's first action being to call, use:
lookup_actions_p.action LIKE 'C%'

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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby darkhorse » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:31 pm

I'm looking for a single stat that says:

player cold-called two bets vs RFI when no blind/ante was posted
OR
player cold-called two bets vs RFI when small blind was posted

Would the above formula satisfy that? Thanks!
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby WhiteRider » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:09 am

If you want to include the SB but not the BB then you'd need to also include a test for "cash_hand_player_statistics.postion != 8".
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby darkhorse » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:12 pm

Was just searching the archive of custom stats and saw that the "call vs open" stat does what I need. Tested and SB calls account for that case. However it also accounts for when the BB calls as well (even vs a SB open which will totally inflate the stat). Would simply adding "NOT cash_hand_player_statistics.postion != 8" at the end of that stat work? Thanks again!
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Re: Cold Call in blinds

Postby WhiteRider » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:06 am

Yes, although you have a double negative there - just use "NOT cash_hand_player_statistics.postion = 8".
To be clear, you would need to insert that into both of the column expressions, not into the stat itself.
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